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Torture or not?

Postby Henry Vilas » Fri Oct 05, 2007 10:01 am

Bush tried to defend his interogation policies again.
President Bush defended his administration's detention and interrogation policies for terrorism suspects on Friday, saying they are both successful and lawful.
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The two Justice Department legal opinions were disclosed in Thursday's editions of The New York Times, which reported that the first 2005 legal opinion authorized the use of head slaps, freezing temperatures and simulated drownings, known as waterboarding, while interrogating terror suspects, and was issued shortly after then-Attorney General Alberto Gonzales took over the Justice Department.

That secret opinion, which explicitly allowed using the painful methods in combination, came months after a December 2004 opinion in which the Justice Department publicly declared torture "abhorrent" and the administration seemed to back away from claiming authority for such practices.
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"We stick to U.S. law and international obligations," the president said, without taking questions.

Mock executions are illegal, both under US law and international treaties. How is waterboarding different than lining someone up against a wall and holding a mock firing squad?
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Postby Henry Vilas » Sat Oct 06, 2007 5:49 pm

Here is how interrogations were handled during WWII.
For six decades, they held their silence.

The group of World War II veterans kept a military code and the decorum of their generation, telling virtually no one of their top-secret work interrogating Nazi prisoners of war at Fort Hunt.

When about two dozen veterans got together yesterday for the first time since the 1940s, many of the proud men lamented the chasm between the way they conducted interrogations during the war and the harsh measures used today in questioning terrorism suspects.

Back then, they and their commanders wrestled with the morality of bugging prisoners' cells with listening devices. They felt bad about censoring letters. They took prisoners out for steak dinners to soften them up. They played games with them.

"We got more information out of a German general with a game of chess or Ping-Pong than they do today, with their torture," said Henry Kolm, 90, an MIT physicist who had been assigned to play chess in Germany with Hitler's deputy, Rudolf Hess.

Blunt criticism of modern enemy interrogations was a common refrain at the ceremonies held beside the Potomac River near Alexandria. Across the river, President Bush defended his administration's methods of detaining and questioning terrorism suspects during an Oval Office appearance.
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Postby Ned Flanders » Mon Oct 08, 2007 11:03 am

Are you arging that we should take the Islamo-nazis out for bar-b-que pork dinners?
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Postby Kenneth Burns » Mon Oct 08, 2007 11:12 am

Ned Flanders wrote:Are you arging that we should take the Islamo-nazis out for bar-b-que pork dinners?


Yes, the problems began when Islam annexed the Sudetenland.

I heart Godwin's Law. Didn't take long that time.
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Postby Henry Vilas » Mon Oct 08, 2007 12:04 pm

Ned Flanders wrote:Are you arging that we should take the Islamo-nazis out for bar-b-que pork dinners?

No. Are you arguing that mock executions are not torture?
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Postby pulsewidth modulation » Mon Oct 08, 2007 12:57 pm

Are Henry Villain and Ned Flounders authentic propagandists?
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Postby Daisy » Mon Oct 08, 2007 1:54 pm

Ned Flanders wrote:Are you arging that we should take the Islamo-nazis out for bar-b-que pork dinners?
The Decider already has that covered, hosting the Saudis at the ranch weeks after their countrymen attacked us on 9/11.
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Postby TAsunder » Mon Oct 08, 2007 2:31 pm

Ned Flanders wrote:Are you arging that we should take the Islamo-nazis out for bar-b-que pork dinners?


Are you suggesting that would be something appealing to a muslim?
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Postby Ned Flanders » Mon Oct 08, 2007 3:36 pm

TAsunder wrote:
Ned Flanders wrote:Are you arging that we should take the Islamo-nazis out for bar-b-que pork dinners?


Are you suggesting that would be something appealing to a muslim?


According to the old geezer in Hank's story, they received all of the secrets of the Third Reich by giving the captured German general a steak and playing checkers with him!
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Postby jjoyce » Mon Oct 08, 2007 3:39 pm

Ned Flanders wrote:According to the old geezer in Hank's story, they received all of the secrets of the Third Reich by giving the captured German general a steak and playing checkers with him!


I'm not sure many veterans of WWII would go along with your view on how they won that mofo.
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Postby nevermore » Mon Oct 08, 2007 3:58 pm

Ned Flanders wrote:According to the old geezer in Hank's story,

I see you're honoring our troops again.
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Postby TAsunder » Mon Oct 08, 2007 3:59 pm

Ned Flanders wrote:
TAsunder wrote:
Ned Flanders wrote:Are you arging that we should take the Islamo-nazis out for bar-b-que pork dinners?


Are you suggesting that would be something appealing to a muslim?


According to the old geezer in Hank's story, they received all of the secrets of the Third Reich by giving the captured German general a steak and playing checkers with him!


The critical flaw here is that germans eat steak but muslims don't eat pork.
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Postby Henry Vilas » Mon Oct 08, 2007 4:44 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:
Ned Flanders wrote:Are you arging that we should take the Islamo-nazis out for bar-b-que pork dinners?

No. Are you arguing that mock executions are not torture?

I've answered your question, so how about answering mine? A simple yes or no will suffice.
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Postby jammybastard » Mon Oct 08, 2007 6:32 pm

"cake or death?"
"death please...no, just kidding...I'll have cake."
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Postby Henry Vilas » Tue Oct 09, 2007 7:52 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:
Henry Vilas wrote:
Ned Flanders wrote:Are you arging that we should take the Islamo-nazis out for bar-b-que pork dinners?

No. Are you arguing that mock executions are not torture?

I've answered your question, so how about answering mine? A simple yes or no will suffice.

Waiting....
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