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Re: Atlas Shrugging?

Postby nutria » Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:43 am

Ned Flanders wrote:Image


Not as thought-provoking as jiggling boobs or an idiot defecating into a lake, but pretty funny. Also, unintentionally ironic.
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Re: Atlas Shrugging?

Postby wack wack » Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:53 am

Stebben84 wrote:I've interacted with plenty of people who make 50K and more, who are lazy and incompetent yet managed to work their way up into some middle management position that pays them way more than their worth.


Really? How do you determine "worth"? I've made it very clear here, it even made the Best of TDPF (not that I'm proud of it) thread, that I have little respect for middle management, yet the laziest, dumbest middle managers I've known still earned much closer to their "worth" than any professional athlete.

Stebben84 wrote:Also, in terms of "work", is doing research "work" Is it work like sweating and busting your balls at a factory. Is being a writer "work" Work is about the amount of effort you put into something.


Yes.

Stebben84 wrote:I guarantee Mickelson didn't just pick up a club and, blammo, he was a great golfer. No, he worked his ass off becoming a good athlete. Like it or not.


So he worked his ass off to become a pro athlete while someone else worked his ass off to become an engineer. Why should the engineer hope to make in the hundreds of thousands of dollars while Mickelson can expect millions? is this really your argument, that Mickelson worked as hard as anyone else and honestly earns what comes to him?

Stebben84 wrote:I'm willing to bet a lot of money that the average worker wouldn't last a day with the work out routine some athletes have or the travel, touring, and hours entertainers put into their work.

I get what your saying about middle class workers being shit on. I just don't think it's fair to blame other people whose "work" may not be your typical 9-5 job.

And Ned, that GIF was pretty damn funny.


Let's be clear: I'm blaming the jackass who is frankly too stupid to appreciate what he has and what it took to get there. Mickelson is a thoughtless little bitch, this isn't his first ride on the "woe is me" merry-go-round.

Whether or not Mickelson makes too much money for what he does is society's problem, but his lack of awareness and humility make him a total dick.
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Re: Atlas Shrugging?

Postby Stebben84 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 12:37 pm

wack wack wrote:Whether or not Mickelson makes too much money for what he does is society's problem, but his lack of awareness and humility make him a total dick.


I'll agree with you there.

wack wack wrote:Why should the engineer hope to make in the hundreds of thousands of dollars while Mickelson can expect millions? is this really your argument, that Mickelson worked as hard as anyone else and honestly earns what comes to him?


That's not what I was trying to say, but it does bring up an interesting point and that is the worth and value of a "job." The amount one is paid to do something isn't equivalent to the amount of work they do nor should it be. There are other factors such as degree of intellect, danger, need, skill, and many others. A custodian may do a lot more work than a professor, but they're pay is quite a bit different. I would never argue they should be equivalent. Someone assembling widgets is generally going to make a whole lot less than an anesthesiologist(holy shit I spelled it right on the first try). But I am pretty sure the widget assembler works harder. I'm not sure if you find that fair or not, but I do because there are other factors involved other than simply "work"

For what It's worth, I am one of those middle class workers. I have a friend who "works" about the same amount as me yet makes more than twice what I do. It's the nature of the positions and their value.

Maybe some feel we should all be paid the same. That's just too socialist for me.
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Re: Atlas Shrugging?

Postby jjoyce » Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:06 pm

Two golfers and a French actor walk into a bar...
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Re: Atlas Shrugging?

Postby Detritus » Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:41 pm

Ned Flanders wrote:
Detritus wrote:13.3% is a "confiscatory rate?" Since when?

As someone already pointed out, that's for the individual to decide. If a citizen sees value in that tax rate, I guess they'll stay.

In other words, "confiscatory" is a meaningless adjective which you used to try to force a particular conclusion. I won't say I'm shocked, but I am impressed that you spelled it correctly--oh, wait, someone else spelled it correctly. Let me change that--I am impressed that you cut and pasted it correctly.
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Re: Atlas Shrugging?

Postby Ned Flanders » Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:58 pm

Detritus wrote:
Ned Flanders wrote:
Detritus wrote:13.3% is a "confiscatory rate?" Since when?

As someone already pointed out, that's for the individual to decide. If a citizen sees value in that tax rate, I guess they'll stay.

In other words, "confiscatory" is a meaningless adjective which you used to try to force a particular conclusion. I won't say I'm shocked, but I am impressed that you spelled it correctly--oh, wait, someone else spelled it correctly. Let me change that--I am impressed that you cut and pasted it correctly.

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Re: Atlas Shrugging?

Postby Detritus » Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:26 pm

Ned Flanders wrote:Image

You certainly rank high on the self-knowledge scale. Congratulations!
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Re: Atlas Shrugging?

Postby bdog » Sat Feb 02, 2013 7:52 am

Denise Rich shrugged last summer

Is "Socialite" a job?

FWIW, I wouldn't trade my life for Mickelson's. I would hate the travel and lack of privacy.
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Re: Atlas Shrugging?

Postby Stu Levitan » Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:14 pm

Ned Flanders wrote:Mickelson, for example, employs hundreds if not thousands of people on his own team, at the media outlets that cover him, at the companies that sponsor him....


The notion that Mickelson employs anybody at the "media outlets that cover him, or the companies that sponsor him" is ludicrous. We, the CONSUMERS, are the ones responsible for those jobs, by buying the magazines and softdrinks and other products.
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Re: Atlas Shrugging?

Postby Ned Flanders » Mon Feb 04, 2013 3:38 pm

Stu Levitan wrote:
Ned Flanders wrote:Mickelson, for example, employs hundreds if not thousands of people on his own team, at the media outlets that cover him, at the companies that sponsor him....


The notion that Mickelson employs anybody at the "media outlets that cover him, or the companies that sponsor him" is ludicrous. We, the CONSUMERS, are the ones responsible for those jobs, by buying the magazines and softdrinks and other products.

No PGA tour, no Golf Channel, no hosts, no producers, editors, diretors, ad sales people, digital people, cameramen, truck drivers...and, you're right, no viewers. I don't think we disagree. You just strengthened my point.
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Re: Atlas Shrugging?

Postby HawkHead » Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:29 pm

Ned Flanders wrote:
Stu Levitan wrote:
Ned Flanders wrote:Mickelson, for example, employs hundreds if not thousands of people on his own team, at the media outlets that cover him, at the companies that sponsor him....


The notion that Mickelson employs anybody at the "media outlets that cover him, or the companies that sponsor him" is ludicrous. We, the CONSUMERS, are the ones responsible for those jobs, by buying the magazines and softdrinks and other products.

No PGA tour, no Golf Channel, no hosts, no producers, editors, diretors, ad sales people, digital people, cameramen, truck drivers...and, you're right, no viewers. I don't think we disagree. You just strengthened my point.


What a joke Ned!

Stu said no Mickelson not no PGA Tour.

If Mickelson faded away there will be Keegan Bradleys and Bubba Watsons to take his place. The only player that really drives ratings on the whole PGA Tour is Tiger Woods and some day he will disappear like Arnold Palmer and Jack Nicklaus before him.
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Re: Atlas Shrugging?

Postby Ned Flanders » Wed Feb 20, 2013 9:52 am

"Keep your so-called workers," U.S. boss tells France

(Reuters) - The CEO of a U.S. tire maker has delivered a crushing summary of how some outsiders view France's work ethic in a letter saying he would have to be stupid to take over a factory whose staff only put in three hours work a day.

Titan International's Maurice Taylor, nicknamed "The Grizz" for his negotiating style, told the left-wing French industry minister in a letter published by media on Wednesday that he had no interest in rescuing a plant set for closure.

"The French workforce gets paid high wages but works only three hours. They get one hour for breaks and lunch, talk for three and work for three," Taylor wrote on February 8 in the letter in English to the minister, Arnaud Montebourg.

"I told this to the French union workers to their faces. They told me that's the French way!" Taylor added in the letter, which was posted by business daily Les Echos on its website and which the ministry confirmed was genuine.

more...

Taylor's comments are the latest blow to France's image after verbal attacks last year by Montebourg on firms seeking to shut ailing industrial sites prompted international mockery.

Combined with concerned over plans for a 75 percent "millionaires tax", Montebourg's antics drove London Mayor Boris Johnson to remark to an international business audience that it seemed France was being run by left-wing revolutionaries

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/ ... OF20130220
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Re: Atlas Shrugging?

Postby wack wack » Wed Feb 20, 2013 9:59 am

Ned Flanders wrote:French workers are lazy.


Sounds like they have much better sense than the douchebag American CEO regarding what life is really about.
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Re: Atlas Shrugging?

Postby Bland » Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:00 am

Yeah, I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that the workforce of the 5th largest economy in the world (and the 5th largest exporter to the U.S.) really don't give a flying fuck what a single blowhard CEO thinks about their work ethic.
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Re: Atlas Shrugging?

Postby pjbogart » Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:20 am

Ned's still going through the McDonald's drive-thru and asking for freedom fries. Seriously, what is with this bizarre hatred of the French that Republicans so desperately cling to? Are they just a convenient scapegoat? A bully's favorite target?
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