MOBILE USERS: m.isthmus.com
Connect with Isthmus on Twitter · Facebook · Flickr · Newsletters 
Sunday, April 20, 2014 |  Madison, WI: 58.0° F  Partly Cloudy
Collapse Photo Bar

Oops!

Races for the Senate, U.S. House, etc. and other issues of national importance.

Oops!

Postby kurt_w » Mon Dec 10, 2012 4:11 pm

So last year, Texas cut $73 million for family planning services from its budget.

A year later, that has resulted in an additional 23,760 births, which in turn looks like it will cost $273 million.

So, for Texas, every $1 the state used to spend on family planning services saved $3.70 in medical and other costs.

Apparently, a bipartisan group of legislators is exploring ways to restore family planning services ... as long as they can figure out how to do it without letting Planned Parenthood help.
kurt_w
Forum God/Goddess
 
Posts: 4818
Joined: Tue Jul 22, 2003 3:11 pm

Re: Oops!

Postby fisticuffs » Mon Dec 10, 2012 4:13 pm

I'm pretty sure it's not "Ooops" you're looking for but "Derp".
fisticuffs
Forum God/Goddess
 
Posts: 7738
Joined: Sat Jul 24, 2004 2:49 pm
Location: Slightly outside of Madison

Re: Oops!

Postby snoqueen » Mon Dec 10, 2012 4:23 pm

What it cost last year is only the beginning. You've got a bunch of babies born under less-than-optimal circumstances, a bunch of women giving birth when they've already got too many kids to support or are still so young they're trying to finish school, a bunch of women who may never receive an optimal education and enter the labor force at their full capability, and a bunch of men getting their pay diverted toward the welfare of their kids so they too (the men) face years of instability and may not attain their full capability either. All that costs Texas a lot of money for decades, both in the budgetary sense and in the opportunity-lost sense.

Big thanks to a bunch of old white guys who think sex is something bad and birth control is immoral.
snoqueen
Forum God/Goddess
 
Posts: 10946
Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2003 11:42 pm

Re: Oops!

Postby Detritus » Mon Dec 10, 2012 4:32 pm

snoqueen wrote:Big thanks to a bunch of old white guys who think (women enjoying) sex is something bad and (therefore) birth control (which exists solely to enable women's enjoyment of sex) is immoral.

I just had to insert my own interpretation of the anti-birth-control movement in there. Carry on!
Detritus
Forum God/Goddess
 
Posts: 2288
Joined: Wed May 13, 2009 9:42 pm

Re: Oops!

Postby minicat » Mon Dec 10, 2012 4:55 pm

I think Nelson saying "ha ha" is also appropriate here.
minicat
Forum God/Goddess
 
Posts: 4406
Joined: Mon Nov 04, 2002 2:22 pm

Re: Oops!

Postby Bwis53 » Mon Dec 10, 2012 4:58 pm

Doh!
Bwis53
Forum God/Goddess
 
Posts: 6196
Joined: Tue Dec 31, 2002 9:39 pm
Location: Bay Creek

Re: Oops!

Postby Meade » Mon Dec 10, 2012 5:05 pm

snoqueen wrote:Big thanks to a bunch of old white guys who think sex is something bad and birth control is immoral.

Notice the need to racialize. Eugenics and race - the not-so-secret dirty secret legacy of Progressivism.
Meade
Forum God/Goddess
 
Posts: 3341
Joined: Fri Apr 23, 2010 6:26 pm

Re: Oops!

Postby Ducatista » Mon Dec 10, 2012 5:40 pm

Meade wrote:Notice the need to racialize.

Notice the need to deflect.

Texas conservatives indulged in idiological idiocy, as conservatives will, and now the whole state is paying the price. From kurt's link:

The health agency’s numbers, while alarming to some state lawmakers, are not unexpected. Last legislative session, while lawmakers debated the cuts, the nonpartisan Legislative Budget Board estimated that they would lead 284,000 women to lose family planning services, resulting in 20,000 additional unplanned births at a cost to taxpayers of $231 million. The cuts passed anyway, a price that socially conservative legislators were willing to pay in their referendum on Planned Parenthood.

This despite the fact that the PP clinics that provided state-subsidized care never performed abortions. Brilliant.
Ducatista
Forum God/Goddess
 
Posts: 4294
Joined: Fri Mar 05, 2004 12:31 pm
Location: 53703

Re: Oops!

Postby gargantua » Mon Dec 10, 2012 5:52 pm

This is just another example of the reason Texas legislators are opposed to having critical thinking skills taught in their schools. They can't do it, so neither should anyone else.
gargantua
Forum God/Goddess
 
Posts: 3841
Joined: Sat Apr 13, 2002 1:30 pm
Location: Madison

Re: Oops!

Postby kurt_w » Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:05 pm

Ducatista wrote:From kurt's link:

The health agency’s numbers, while alarming to some state lawmakers, are not unexpected. Last legislative session, while lawmakers debated the cuts, the nonpartisan Legislative Budget Board estimated that they would lead 284,000 women to lose family planning services, resulting in 20,000 additional unplanned births at a cost to taxpayers of $231 million.


Yeah, I noticed that passage in the article. That's pretty impressive, the accuracy of the board's prediction.

This obviously also has relevance to the recent discussion about whether insurance plans should cover contraceptives. I don't know to what extent one could extrapolate the effects of family planning services in Texas to contraceptive coverage elsewhere ... But even if the effect was only one-third as strong, it would still result in a net savings.

And this is, of course, ignoring the benefit to the couple involved, who don't want to have a pregnancy at this particular juncture. Providing increased access to family planning services helps them, and saves the taxpayer money. Since the Texas program included contraceptives and education but not abortion, it presumably also reduced the number of abortions. In other words, it was a win-win-win deal. The couple benefits, the taxpayer benefits, and people who oppose abortion ought to be happy too.
kurt_w
Forum God/Goddess
 
Posts: 4818
Joined: Tue Jul 22, 2003 3:11 pm

Re: Oops!

Postby kurt_w » Tue Dec 11, 2012 9:26 am

kurt_w wrote:In other words, it was a win-win-win deal. The couple benefits, the taxpayer benefits, and people who oppose abortion ought to be happy too.


That said, I don't necessarily expect most abortion opponents in the Texas Legislature to actually be happy about this. As Detritus said, a lot of this is about social conservatives wanting to punish people for having sex. The only question is whether legislators are willing to spend more money, increase the number of unwanted children, and increase the number of abortions, all for the sake of expressing disapproval of the idea of poor people being able to use contraception.

A lot of modern conservatism seems to be all about resentment, emotion, irrationality, and protection of one's beliefs against external reality. So there are no guarantees that those guys will do what's obviously sensible there.
kurt_w
Forum God/Goddess
 
Posts: 4818
Joined: Tue Jul 22, 2003 3:11 pm

Re: Oops!

Postby minicat » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:10 am

kurt_w wrote:A lot of modern conservatism seems to be all about resentment, emotion, irrationality, and protection of one's beliefs against external reality. So there are no guarantees that those guys will do what's obviously sensible there.


I would probably say it is guaranteed those guys will not do what's sensible.
minicat
Forum God/Goddess
 
Posts: 4406
Joined: Mon Nov 04, 2002 2:22 pm

Re: Oops!

Postby kurt_w » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:44 am

You never know. If you follow the link, it sounds like at least some Republicans are considering walking back the anti-family-planning jihad a bit. It seems to be the $273 million in additional costs that affected them, but one might as well take small victories where one finds them.
kurt_w
Forum God/Goddess
 
Posts: 4818
Joined: Tue Jul 22, 2003 3:11 pm


Return to National Politics & Government

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: MSNbot Media and 2 guests

moviesmusiceats
Select a Movie
Select a Theater


FacebookcommentsViewedForum
  ISTHMUS FLICKR

Promotions Contact us Privacy Policy Jobs Newsletters RSS
Collapse Photo Bar