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Did Obama lie about people who died?

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Re: Did Obama lie about people who died?

Postby Meade » Sun Oct 28, 2012 7:53 am

10 Questions:

1.) To whom did the president give the first of his "three very clear directives"—that is, "make sure that we are securing our personnel and doing whatever we need to?"

2.) How did he transmit this directive to the military and other agencies?

3.) During the time when Americans were under attack, did the president convene a formal or informal meeting of his national security council? Did the president go to the situation room?

4.) During this time, with which members of the national security team did the president speak directly?

5.) Did Obama speak by phone or teleconference with the combatant commanders who would have sent assistance to the men under attack?

6.) Did he speak with CIA director David Petraeus?

7.) Was the president made aware of the repeated requests for assistance from the men under attack? When and by whom?

8.) Did he issue any directives in response to these requests?

9.) Did the president refuse to authorize an armed drone strike on the attackers?

10.) Did the president refuse to authorize a AC-130 or MC-130 to enter Libyan airspace during the attack? http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/ten ... 57977.html
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Re: Did Obama lie about people who died?

Postby Meade » Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:53 am

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Military/2 ... of-command

“Fighter jets could have been at Benghazi in an hour; the commandos inside three hours,” Mr. West wrote. “If the attackers were a mob, as intelligence reported, then an F-18 [Navy fighter jet] in afterburner, roaring like a lion, would unnerve them. This procedure was applied often in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Conversely, if the attackers were terrorists, then the U.S. commandos would eliminate them. But no forces were dispatched from Sigonella.”
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Re: Did Obama lie about people who died?

Postby Stebben84 » Sun Oct 28, 2012 6:24 pm

From the article. Emphasis mine.

"The basic principle is that you don't deploy forces into harm's way without knowing what's going on; without having some real-time information about what's taking place," Mr. Panetta told Pentagon reporters. "And as a result of not having that kind of information, the commander who was on the ground in that area, Gen. Ham, Gen. Dempsey and I felt very strongly that we could not put forces at risk in that situation."


Or they could have just bombed the shit out of the place and killed a hundred more people.
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Re: Did Obama lie about people who died?

Postby pjbogart » Sun Oct 28, 2012 6:37 pm

Lets also remember that the staff of the nearby CIA safe house rescued most of the people at the embassy and evacuated them back to the safe house. Air strikes probably weren't in the cards because they were likely to kill survivors, rescuers and innocent bystanders.

Perhaps the solution is to make sure the ambassador doesn't move outside of the range of a rescue team. If Stevens had been in Tripoli instead of Benghazi, perhaps we would have had people close enough to provide immediate assistance.

And let's also remember the age old adage "shit happens." Ambassadors, especially in relatively hostile areas like Libya, risk their lives to do their jobs, much as soldiers do. Blaming Obama for Stevens' death is cowardly and insincere. You're using tragedy to further your own political goals and dragging a lot of people braver than yourself along for the ride.
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Re: Did Obama lie about people who died?

Postby Meade » Sun Oct 28, 2012 7:53 pm

pjbogart wrote:Blaming Obama for Stevens' death is cowardly and insincere.

Who is blaming Obama for Ambassador Stevens's death?
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Re: Did Obama lie about people who died?

Postby Meade » Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:30 am

The description of the attack by those in the Sept. 13 briefings stands in stark contrast to the now controversial briefing on Capitol Hill by CIA Director David Petraeus the following day -- and raises even more questions about why Petraeus described the attack as tied to a demonstration.
The Sept. 13 assessment was based on intercepts that included individuals, believed to have participated in the attack, who were celebratory -- as well as a claim of responsibility.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10 ... z2Ah6rSzOc
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Re: Did Obama lie about people who died?

Postby Meade » Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:26 pm

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Re: Did Obama lie about people who died?

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Re: Did Obama lie about people who died?

Postby david cohen » Mon Oct 29, 2012 3:27 pm

Paging Ollie North, Ollie North to the white courtesy phone. Old Ollie is an example of "lying and people dying"....defenseless innocent women and children to boot.
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Re: Did Obama lie about people who died?

Postby Meade » Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:29 pm

david cohen wrote:Paging Ollie North, Ollie North to the white courtesy phone. Old Ollie is an example of "lying and people dying"....defenseless innocent women and children to boot.


david, if we stipulate that Oliver North is an example of lying and people dying - something condemnable - then, if it turns out that the Obama and his administration lied about these people who died, you will be equally condemnatory of Obama, right?
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Re: Did Obama lie about people who died?

Postby Henry Vilas » Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:52 pm

Says the guy who voted for Bush the Lesser when he ran for reelection. This, after the lies he told to justify the invasion of Iraq and the loss of many thousand lives.
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Re: Did Obama lie about people who died?

Postby Meade » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:47 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:This, after the lies he told to justify the invasion of Iraq and the loss of many thousand lives.

The lies, the coverup, and the murder of Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson? All because Ambassador Wilson wouldn't play ball with Bush's yellowcake-uranium-from-Niger concoction? All so that Chimpy McHitler could take over the world?

You got me there, Henry V. Well-played indeed, sir.
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