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Re: Sandra Fluke: Access to Birth Control

Postby DCB » Fri Sep 07, 2012 3:17 pm

ArturoBandini wrote:Public education absolutely is a socialist concept, or at least one that is highly regarded by actual socialists and related collectivist groups (see plank #10 in the Communist Manifesto). If there is a more fitting philosophical category for the concept of public education, I'd like to hear it.

Seriously?
Factories are a socialist concept, or at least one that is highly regarded by actual socialists...
Families are a socialist concept, or at least one that is highly regarded by actual socialists...
Food is a socialist concept, or at least one that is highly regarded by actual socialists...
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Re: Sandra Fluke: Access to Birth Control

Postby ArturoBandini » Fri Sep 07, 2012 3:26 pm

DCB wrote:
ArturoBandini wrote:Public education absolutely is a socialist concept, or at least one that is highly regarded by actual socialists and related collectivist groups (see plank #10 in the Communist Manifesto). If there is a more fitting philosophical category for the concept of public education, I'd like to hear it.

Seriously?
Factories are a socialist concept, or at least one that is highly regarded by actual socialists...
...

See bold text. Do we need to go back to the Bastiat quote?

If you put "public" in front of your examples (e.g. "public[ly owned and operated] factories), then you get socialist results.
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Re: Sandra Fluke: Access to Birth Control

Postby Marvell » Fri Sep 07, 2012 4:25 pm

The whole people must take upon themselves the education of the whole people and be willing to bear the expenses of it. There should not be a district of one mile square, without a school in it, not founded by a charitable individual, but maintained at the public expense of the people themselves.

— John Adams 1785

Fuckin' socialist.
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Re: Sandra Fluke: Access to Birth Control

Postby ArturoBandini » Fri Sep 07, 2012 4:31 pm

Marvell wrote:— John Adams 1785

Fuckin' socialist.
Is this supposed to prove or demonstrate something? That even the Founding Fathers had socialist ideas and policies (among others)? Yes, they did.
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Re: Sandra Fluke: Access to Birth Control

Postby Henry Vilas » Fri Sep 07, 2012 4:31 pm

It took well over a hundred years for Adams' wish to become true.
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Re: Sandra Fluke: Access to Birth Control

Postby ArturoBandini » Fri Sep 07, 2012 4:37 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:It took well over a hundred years for Adams' wish to become true.
Well, how 'bout that.
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Re: Sandra Fluke: Access to Birth Control

Postby Henry Vilas » Fri Sep 07, 2012 4:46 pm

ArturoBandini wrote:
Henry Vilas wrote:It took well over a hundred years for Adams' wish to become true.
Well, how 'bout that.

By educating the masses, our economy boomed. Nothing like a well-educated work force. Don't you agree?
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Re: Sandra Fluke: Access to Birth Control

Postby ArturoBandini » Fri Sep 07, 2012 5:04 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:By educating the masses, our economy boomed. Nothing like a well-educated work force. Don't you agree?
There are a lot of other variables in play over the same period, so I'm not really sure what fraction of economic development should be attributed to mass education. But my opinion (it's not knowledge) on this matter is completely irrelevant to the topic of the sub-discussion. Do you have a problem with calling public schooling a socialist institution (lowercase "s")? I'm not going to jump on you or anyone else for acknowledging this obvious fact just because invoking the s-word is a taboo. Give credit where it is due.

On that note, is John Nichols a member of this board?
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Re: Sandra Fluke: Access to Birth Control

Postby Henry Vilas » Fri Sep 07, 2012 5:06 pm

If anything the government sponsored (at any level of government) is socialism, then I suppose so. But so what?
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Re: Sandra Fluke: Access to Birth Control

Postby ArturoBandini » Fri Sep 07, 2012 5:11 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:If anything the government sponsored (at any level of government) is socialism, then I suppose so. But so what?
Then you're on my side in thinking that DCB is simply wrong in asserting that mandated coverage of birth control or public education are not socialism:
DCB wrote:Sometimes those 'good things' wouldn't happen unless mandated by gov't . Like coverage of birth control, or public education. That's not socialism, that's just being practical.
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Re: Sandra Fluke: Access to Birth Control

Postby Madsci » Fri Sep 07, 2012 9:18 pm

Hey you men, no means no. Hands off our access to birth control or any other basic needs. No, we don't want to be forced into motherhood. We know what happens to those babies!
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