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"Legitimate rape"

Postby Henry Vilas » Mon Aug 20, 2012 10:32 am

U.S. Rep. Todd Akin (R-Missouri), in attempting to justify his absolutist opposition to abortion, sticks his foot in his mouth.

"If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down," Akin continued. He did not provide an explanation for what constituted "legitimate rape."

He added: "But let's assume that maybe that didn't work or something. You know I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be on the rapist and not attacking the child."
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Re: "Legitimate rape"

Postby fisticuffs » Mon Aug 20, 2012 10:36 am

Don't worry. Karl Rove is on Fox right now giving the fair and balanced explanation.

* yet somehow they forgot to mention Rove's SuperPAC has spent $900,000 on Mr. Akin's campaign.
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Re: "Legitimate rape"

Postby wack wack » Mon Aug 20, 2012 10:46 am

By saying he "sticks his foot in his mouth," you're not trying to excuse this as a "gaffe," are you?

Akin intentionally used a false appeal to authority. His intent was to mislead. He lied and got caught.
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Re: "Legitimate rape"

Postby Henry Vilas » Mon Aug 20, 2012 10:46 am

Akin flub focuses campaign debate on abortion

Romney campaign distances itself from Akin.
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In Massachusetts, U.S. Sen. Scott Brown called for Akin to drop out of the Missouri Senate race because of the "outrageous, inappropriate and wrong" comments.
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"Governor Romney and Congressman Ryan disagree with Mr. Akin's statement, and a Romney-Ryan administration would not oppose abortion in instances of rape," Romney campaign spokeswoman Amanda Henneberg wrote.
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Re: "Legitimate rape"

Postby Henry Vilas » Mon Aug 20, 2012 10:47 am

wack wack wrote:By saying he "sticks his foot in his mouth," you're not trying to excuse this as a "gaffe," are you?

No.
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Re: "Legitimate rape"

Postby DCB » Mon Aug 20, 2012 10:51 am

fisticuffs wrote:Don't worry. Karl Rove is on Fox right now giving the fair and balanced explanation.

* yet somehow they forgot to mention Rove's SuperPAC has spent $900,000 on Mr. Akin's campaign.

You must be confusing non-partisan analyst and commentator Karl Rove with the Republican operative of the same name who is managing one of the biggest SuperPacs in the country. Its a common mistake.

Anyway, Mr.Akin himself says he misspoke, so just drop it. Why aren't we talking about jobs,jobs,jobs? Must be the Democrats trying to distract us.
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Re: "Legitimate rape"

Postby DCB » Mon Aug 20, 2012 10:54 am

wack wack wrote: He lied and got caught.

Its not a lie if you believe it.
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Re: "Legitimate rape"

Postby wack wack » Mon Aug 20, 2012 11:01 am

DCB wrote:
wack wack wrote: He lied and got caught.

Its not a lie if you believe it.


Yeah, I wish we could kill that beast.
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Re: "Legitimate rape"

Postby ilikebeans » Mon Aug 20, 2012 11:17 am

"Legitimate rape" is his way of saying, "if the woman's not lying..." And yes, there are cases of lying about an assault. But the idea that if rape took place the woman's body knows and prevents conception without fail is ludicrous.

Gee, why oh why would anyone think the Republicans are waging a war on women?
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Re: "Legitimate rape"

Postby Kenneth Burns » Mon Aug 20, 2012 11:22 am

DCB wrote:Anyway, Mr.Akin himself says he misspoke, so just drop it.


Did he misspeak? He's not the first GOP legislator to make the argument. Or maybe Akin opened his mouth and random syllables came out that happen to be a claim that "pops up occasionally in social conservative circles."
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Re: "Legitimate rape"

Postby TheBookPolice » Mon Aug 20, 2012 11:23 am

ilikebeans wrote:"Legitimate rape" is his way of saying, "if the woman's not lying..."

And how do you know that? How do you know it wasn't his way of saying rapes where "she dressed like she wanted it" don't count as legitimate? Or spousal rape? Or rape when consensual intoxicants are involved?

I'm not willing to give this man any latitude. The guy's a dangerous idiot. And he's on the House Science and Technology Committee.
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Re: "Legitimate rape"

Postby ilikebeans » Mon Aug 20, 2012 11:29 am

TheBookPolice wrote:
ilikebeans wrote:"Legitimate rape" is his way of saying, "if the woman's not lying..."

And how do you know that? How do you know it wasn't his way of saying rapes where "she dressed like she wanted it" don't count as legitimate? Or spousal rape? Or rape when consensual intoxicants are involved?

I'm not willing to give this man any latitude. The guy's a dangerous idiot. And he's on the House Science and Technology Committee.

Good points.
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Re: "Legitimate rape"

Postby Donald » Mon Aug 20, 2012 11:31 am

The problem for Romney-Ryan and the Republicans is that Akin's comments are the Republican Party's position, and they are Ryan's position. A woman who has been raped or is the victim of incest would be denied an abortion under Republican Party platforms. It's really odd that they are now trying to back away from long-standing Republican policy.

Akin's comments seem extreme and stupid to most of us, but they are not unusual for many Republicans, whose Christian conservative base identifies more with the fetus ("baby") of a rapist than with the woman who is raped (was she really raped? they ask).

So, Republican state legislators are often called upon to give a descriptions of their outmost limit for the "rape exceptions" during debates on abortion restrictions, and these Republican leaders will spout similar goofy and ignorant statements about female sexuality, pregnancy and rape. They particularly get caught up in trying to figure out the details of a rape that might allow for an exception. This description of a suitably bad rape, from Republican State Senator Bill Napoli of South Dakota, is instructive:

"BILL NAPOLI: A real-life description to me would be a rape victim, brutally raped, savaged. The girl was a virgin. She was religious. She planned on saving her virginity until she was married. She was brutalized and raped, sodomized as bad as you can possibly make it, and is impregnated. I mean, that girl could be so messed up, physically and psychologically, that carrying that child could very well threaten her life."

That sort of rape now has a name: "napoli"

This is the sort of mentality that controls the Republican Party, and infects most of its leadership. This isn't extreme to them.
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Re: "Legitimate rape"

Postby TheBookPolice » Mon Aug 20, 2012 11:36 am

Senator Ron Johnson -- a relatively benign idiot by comparison -- just called for Rep. Akin to step down "for the good of the country."
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Re: "Legitimate rape"

Postby Henry Vilas » Mon Aug 20, 2012 11:46 am

TheBookPolice wrote:Senator Ron Johnson -- a relatively benign idiot by comparison -- just called for Rep. Akin to step down "for the good of the country."

I think Johnson misspoke. He meant to say "for the good of the Republican Party."

Will Johnson now move to change the abortion position in the the official GOP platform?
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