We're getting close to consensus here, Rich. I am pleased.
Rich Schultz wrote:I've already stated I agree with Francis, Huckleby, and I assume yourself that there should be better options for obtaining an ID then the DMV.
Somewhere closer, more convenient, where the elderly, the poor and the disabled congregate, where the hours are longer and the staff friendlier. Walmart and Walgreens come to mind.
That would be fine. I also think social service agencies should be able to issue IDs that work for voting as well as whatever benefits or services the clients are coming for.
Most students without picture ID's aren't old enough to vote. In my day many of my fellow students had more than one picture ID, if you know what I mean.
We all know students have fake IDs, and supposedly fancy un-forgeable IDs are in the works. You and I both know how long those
will last, of course. All this just shows the fallibility of any ID system, but I continue to believe the security of our elections doesn't rely on individual ID at all. Maybe from your perspective it's just another bit of voter misbehavior to root out.
I believe WI student IDs with pictures and addresses, or some such arrangement, were rendered acceptable in the end, leaving only the question of how long the student has to be at a certain address before he can vote. There has to be a reasonable solution to that detail. In the last election the odd date set for the recall probably screwed things up for students as much as anything else.
I also believe there were questions about tech college IDs. If people discuss this with good will I'd think a reasonable solution would emerge, once again.
That leaves the shut-ins, perhaps some humanitarian types could assist.
I agree. I was deputized to help absentee voters in assisted living at the time of the last presidential election, and if volunteers wanted to be deputized to take ID equipment to shut-ins so they could get their cards, I would hope a way could be found.
"Seems like your idea of voting rights is that for any given individual those rights are somehow optional, at the convenience of bureaucracy."
Quite the opposite, I believe voting should be optional, at the convenience of the citizen.
So do I. I have read that Australia penalizes non voters with a fine of about $15 for not voting, and while that 95% turnout sounds good, how thoughtfully are the votes cast?
Then, how thoughtfully are our
votes cast? I'm not going there....
I will leave it to you big government fans to disparage the DMV.
Oh, they're doing their best just like in any other workplace these days, public or private, with not enough staffing, antiquated computers, and a surly public. What more can ya do, hey?