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What Policies?

Postby wack wack » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:03 am

Every single day, on news and talk shows all across the country, conservatives make the claim that "Obama's economic policies have failed."

Having heard this completely unsupported assertion one too many times now, I have to ask: what policies? Exactly what economic policies was Obama allowed to implement that have failed?
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Re: What Policies?

Postby fisticuffs » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:07 am

Conservatives believe the Stimulus bill cost 5 times as much as it actually did, contained nothing but spending on Solyndra and Union thugs, and not only didn't help but actually hurt our economy. They believe Obama has somehow created piles of new regulations on businesses, which he of course hasn't, that Cap and Trade somehow passed, and that the ACA or "Obamacare" is already adding trillions to the debt even though the CBO says it reduces the debt. Those are the big ones I would guess. Obama's actual policies all died at the hands of Republican filibuster.
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Re: What Policies?

Postby rabble » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:12 am

fisticuffs wrote: Obama's actual policies all died at the hands of Republican filibuster.

I thought that was the main plan. Don't let him pass anything, then say he failed because he didn't do anything.

In the end it boils down to "There's the choir. Let's preach at it."
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Re: What Policies?

Postby Detritus » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:34 am

rabble wrote:
fisticuffs wrote: Obama's actual policies all died at the hands of Republican filibuster.

I thought that was the main plan. Don't let him pass anything, then say he failed because he didn't do anything.

In the end it boils down to "There's the choir. Let's preach at it."

I would have put it "There are the dogs. Let's blow our whistles at them."
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Re: What Policies?

Postby Meade » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:36 am

Keep protesting, guys.

We'll let you know when it doth get to be too much.
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Re: What Policies?

Postby wack wack » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:37 am

Meade wrote:Keep protesting, guys.

We'll let you know when it doth get to be too much.


Got nothin', huh?
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Re: What Policies?

Postby Peanutbutter » Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:54 am

wack wack wrote:Got nothin', huh?


I wouldn't say that winning election after election after election is considered "nothing."

Anyone who looks at the scoreboard can see that we got a lot more than you do.
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Re: What Policies?

Postby wack wack » Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:14 pm

Peanutbutter wrote:
wack wack wrote:Got nothin', huh?


I wouldn't say that winning election after election after election is considered "nothing."

Anyone who looks at the scoreboard can see that we got a lot more than you do.


But you still have no answer.
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Re: What Policies?

Postby Peanutbutter » Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:43 pm

On thread after thread after thread the conservative voices are berated for speaking their opinion, yet in this thread the conservative voices are being berated for not chiming in.

:roll:

Here you go, hope this helps you understand what most people around the country already know.

Obama’s regressive progressivism strangled blue-collar sectors of the economy. Many of his key policy initiatives, particularly in the health and environmental areas, scared businesses from expanding their operations.

Sadly, the one infrastructure project embraced by the administration — high speed rail — reflected trendy urbanist theory more than common sense. At very best high-speed rail would have served, at an exorbitant cost, a small cadre of tourists and businessmen now capable of getting to the same places by car, plane or Megabus. HSR’s ever rising costs have even led some leftists, such as Mother Jones’ Kevin Drum, to denounce it as “boondoggly.” As Drum sensibly put it, “We have way better uses for the dough.”

Similarly, Obama’s much ballyhooed “green jobs” have proved an expensive bust. Environmentalists Ted Nordhaus and Michael Shellenberger note there are fewer “green jobs” in Silicon Valley, the industry’s supposed hot bed, today than in 2003. The recent bankruptcy of California-based solar-panel maker Solyndra — recipient of a $500 million federally guaranteed loan — represents just the first of a series of government-backed failures.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/joelkotkin/ ... eration/2/

The President will have all year to elaborate on how his time as a community organizer helped him understand the implications of tax increases for investment decisions, the impact that overregulation can have on business confidence, and the way that trade policies can support or disadvantage American exporters. He can also describe for voters how his law school lecturing duties showed him the extraordinary economic potential of the nation’s energy resources or the challenges that power-grabbing union bosses pose to businesses and workers.

Best of all, he can explain how his $787 billion stimulus bill, his $450 billion proposed second stimulus, his thousands of pages of Dodd-Frank and Obamacare legislation, his unprecedented increases in regulation, and his handouts to politically-connected union bosses and “green” energy projects served to decisively protect free enterprise.

But no amount of speech-making will persuade the American people that his economic record has been anything other than an unmitigated disaster.

In January 2009, the month President Obama assumed office, the total U.S. public debt outstanding was $10.6 trillion. Today, it exceeds more than $15 trillion —the size of America’s entire economy. The American people are all too well aware that this is money that they must eventually pay back.
In January 2009, some 22 million Americans were unemployed, underemployed, or no longer looking for work. Today, that number has risen to nearly 24 million Americans. The average duration of unemployment has risen from 19.8 weeks to 40.8 weeks. In January 2009, 142.2 million people were employed. Today, that number has fallen to 140.8 million.
In January 2009, the unemployment rate stood at 7.8%. It has been above 8% for every month since, despite the Obama administration’s claim that their $787 billion stimulus bill would avoid such a high level of unemployment entirely.
Meanwhile, the tepid “recovery” that the Obama campaign proudly touts as good enough for the American people is in fact no such thing. In October 2009 the unemployment rate peaked at 10.0%. Since that time, America’s work-eligible population has grown by four million people, yet the labor force has not grown. Had the labor force continued to grow in line with the population, unemployment today would be… 10.0%. The entire decline in the unemployment rate is the result of people leaving the labor force or choosing not to enter in the first place. In short, the labor market has not improved; it has simply produced discouragement. Welcome to the Obama economy.


http://www.mittromney.com/blogs/mitts-v ... ic-failure

On this day in 2009, President Barack Obama signed the stimulus bill into law.

Three years and $825 billion later, the results are clear. Instead of producing an economic recovery, the stimulus produced only broken promises and massive debt. The stimulus failed—and by the president's own standards at that.

Obama promised the stimulus would not only have a large impact but also an immediate impact. Said the president-elect, "I'm confident ... our 21st century investments will create jobs immediately," adding, "We've got shovel-ready projects all across the country."

Those jobs never materialized, and it was not for lack of workers—or shovels. As President Obama remarked in June 2011, "Shovel-ready was not as shovel-ready as we expected." He chuckled through the mea culpa, but it's no laughing matter. Obama failed to deliver—and at great cost to taxpayers.


http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/ ... imulus-law

According to the Heritage Foundation, private sector hiring through June 2011 was 10 times slower following the passage of President Obama's healthcare bill compared to the prior 16 months. Economists at Stanford University and the University of Chicago estimated in the fall of 2011 that policy uncertainty has cost more than 2 million jobs since early 2010.


http://www.usnews.com/opinion/mzuckerma ... ave-failed
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Re: What Policies?

Postby Detritus » Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:43 pm

wack wack wrote:
Peanutbutter wrote:
wack wack wrote:Got nothin', huh?


I wouldn't say that winning election after election after election is considered "nothing."

Anyone who looks at the scoreboard can see that we got a lot more than you do.


But you still have no answer.

I had no idea PB was personally responsible for Republican electoral victories. That explains a lot.
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Re: What Policies?

Postby scratch » Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:09 pm

Detritus wrote:
Peanutbutter wrote:I wouldn't say that winning election after election after election is considered "nothing."
Anyone who looks at the scoreboard can see that we got a lot more than you do.

I had no idea PB was personally responsible for Republican electoral victories. That explains a lot.


Perhaps PB's use of "we" merely indicates that he has a mouse in his pocket. Or somewhere.
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Re: What Policies?

Postby wack wack » Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:50 pm

Peanutbutter wrote:On thread after thread after thread the conservative voices are berated for speaking their opinion, yet in this thread the conservative voices are being berated for not chiming in.

:roll:

Here you go, hope this helps you understand what most people around the country already know.


No one is looking for conservative opinions here, especially those expressed by Romney or Heritage. Just the facts, a simple list will do. Can you list the Obama policies that were enacted and failed, Peanutbutter?
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Re: What Policies?

Postby HawkHead » Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:43 pm

wack wack wrote:Every single day, on news and talk shows all across the country, conservatives make the claim that "Obama's economic policies have failed."

Having heard this completely unsupported assertion one too many times now, I have to ask: what policies? Exactly what economic policies was Obama allowed to implement that have failed?


I am not sure.

Other than the ACA that doesn't really go into effect until 2013 with the tax increase and 2014 with the inusrnace exchanges, nothing really.

Tax rates are down, gun control more lax than under Bush, nothing else really changed policywise. Now Obama comes out wanting to extend most of the Bush tax cuts.
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Re: What Policies?

Postby DCB » Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:01 pm

wack wack wrote: Just the facts, a simple list will do. Can you list the Obama policies that were enacted and failed, Peanutbutter?

PB quoted an article that addressed the question. So, good for you, PB!

But its just more bullshit, e.g. "The stimulus didn't do anything".
Its true that the stimulus didn't completely fix the worst recession since the Great Depression. So by that bogus standard, Obama is a failure.

The 'green jobs' program is a failure! Knowing nothing about this, I'll just bet the real story is that several 'green' business are doing much better thanks to the Obama administration, but again, not all of them became as big as Microsoft, so EPIC FAIL!
The bonus for right-wingers: any actual examples of success in this field is proof that Obama is a tool of the UN/Agenda 21 conspiracy.

And so on.
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Re: What Policies?

Postby Rich Schultz » Wed Jul 18, 2012 5:27 am

"...billions of your money being redistributed to Obama donors…"

"This was at the Earth2Tech’s Green: Net 09 conference venture capital panel, a day after Foundation Capital’s Paul Holland had visited the White House. He was responding to the question, “what is the latest from DC, what were you doing there, and how can we all make some money off of that.” Holland’s description of Matt Rogers as “about to get treated like a hooker dropped into a prison exercise yard” doesn’t exactly sound like a careful, responsible “redistribution” of taxpayer money does it? But hey, it’s not like these Green Energy boondoggles are going into bankruptcy or anything, right? uhm. right?"
http://www.soopermexican.com/2012/07/17/obama-official-doling-out-stimulus-green-energy-billions-was-like-a-hooker-dropped-into-a-prison-exercise-yard/
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