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Re: Egypt - depressing

Postby Bludgeon » Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:01 pm

Might as well add this from the Daily Mail:

UKdailymail wrote:Our coverage of the Arab Spring was over-excited, admits BBC
Head of news admits reporters may have failed to explore both sides of the story

Countries where regimes were not overthrown were ignored, says BBC Trust report by former UN director of communications
Two thirds of mobile footage and other user-generated content was broadcast without any caveats.

The BBC’s coverage of the Arab Spring has been heavily criticised – by the corporation’s bosses.

Head of news Helen Boaden admitted that her journalists got carried away with events and produced ‘over-excited’ reports.
She told a BBC Trust report that in Libya, where reporters were ‘embedded’ with rebels, they may have failed to explore both sides of the story properly.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... Egypt.html


Personally, I don't see what happened in Libya as being all that positive either:

Wikipedia wrote:At least four mobile phone videos showed rebels beating Gaddafi and manhandling him on the back of a utility vehicle before his death. One video pictured Gaddafi "sodomized with some kind of stick or knife"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muammar_Ga ... _and_death
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Re: Egypt - depressing

Postby Henry Vilas » Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:20 pm

Bludgeon wrote:
Wikipedia wrote:At least four mobile phone videos showed rebels beating Gaddafi and manhandling him on the back of a utility vehicle before his death. One video pictured Gaddafi "sodomized with some kind of stick or knife"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muammar_Ga ... _and_death

While such actions are deployable, they are frequent occurances in the aftermath of war/revolution. Mussolini and his mistress suffered worst fates.

Tories (colonists loyal to England) suffered greatly immediately after our own Revolutionary War. Rapes, hangings, burning down homes and expulsions were way too common. Many left for British held colonies in the Caribbean.
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Re: Egypt - depressing

Postby Bludgeon » Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:50 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:
Bludgeon wrote:
Wikipedia wrote:At least four mobile phone videos showed rebels beating Gaddafi and manhandling him on the back of a utility vehicle before his death. One video pictured Gaddafi "sodomized with some kind of stick or knife"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muammar_Ga ... _and_death

While such actions are deployable, they are frequent occurances in the aftermath of war/revolution. Mussolini and his mistress suffered worst fates.


Yeah I definitely don't want to get into a gory contest of which mobs did worse things but Mussolini died from being shot, what the mobs did to him was after death.
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Re: Egypt - depressing

Postby Cornbread » Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:13 pm

pjbogart wrote:Obama called to congratulate the Muslim Brotherhood on their victory.


Great reminder.

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Notice all the people laughing at our (embarrassment) for a prezzie?

He bows (is subservient) to a king while calling a terrorist organization (that wants to topple the same king).

No wonder everyone world wide, just looks at obama as a complete, clueless clown. We look at him as an embarrassment.
And he is.....
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Re: Egypt - depressing

Postby Henry Vilas » Thu Jun 28, 2012 8:50 am

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Re: Egypt - depressing

Postby Cornbread » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:39 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:Image


Figured someone would do that, but I thought you'd be more on your game than take that leftist out. OK, maybe not. Stu has been keeping things on somewhat of a level discussion, but henry, you're starting to teeter. Don't fall into the leftist abyss, where rational thoughts have long since been sucked out.

Did you miss the "subservient" in my comment about socialist barack?

Don't fall into the abyss henry! :D
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Re: Egypt - depressing

Postby Mad Howler » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:41 pm

Good on you Henry. Thank you for reminding me to get tough under tough circumstances, and the importance of elegance when addressing suppressive noise.
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Re: Egypt - depressing

Postby Cornbread » Fri Jun 29, 2012 9:24 pm

Mad Howler wrote:Good on you Henry. Thank you for reminding me to get tough under tough circumstances, and the importance of elegance when addressing suppressive noise.


Yes, get tough Mad Howler! People of a differing worldview wanting to have a two way discussion/debate with lefties can truly seem intimidating, suppressive, and almost oppressive to leftists.

BTW, others should thank you for exposing the main weakness of leftists--they're insulated and isolated from everything not a carbon copy of they themselves--so they sort of lock up when running across anything coming close to 'diversity' in worldviews.

Maybe others here should also pay you for being here too? ;)
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Re: Egypt - depressing

Postby Bludgeon » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:36 pm

People are always making the case that things are changing for the better, either in the West or the East. Never really shared that idea. How could they, really? It's stability and prosperity that granted us the leisure to achieve the social progress we never miss a chance to pat ourselves on the back for. As a practical matter, upheaval and decline grant this age no such luxury. Its not a bright age of opportunity lurking around the corner, but a diminishing era where personal freedoms and personal wealth are flushing down the tube together. Witness the young generation in the West and their increasing obsession with thralldom to authority, their evangelical zeal for state imposition on the individual - no good will come from that. Its the Middle Ages, not the Modern Age, that we are veering to. How much worse it will be in the East...

Mark Stein wrote:The mistake made by virtually the entire Western media during the Arab Spring was to assume that social progress is like technological progress — that, like the wheel or the internal-combustion engine, women’s rights and gay rights cannot be disinvented. They can, very easily. In Egypt, the youth who voted for the Muslim Brotherhood are more fiercely Islamic than their grandparents who backed Nasser’s revolution in 1952. In Tunisia, the young are more proscriptive than the secular old-timers who turned a blind eye to the country’s bars and brothels. In the developed world, we’re told that Westernization is “inevitable.” “Just wait and see,” say the blithely complacent inevitablists. “They haven’t yet had time to Westernize.” But Westernization is every bit as resistible in Brussels and Toronto as it’s proved in Cairo and Jalalabad. In the first ever poll of Irish Muslims, 37 percent said they would like Ireland to be governed by Islamic law. When the same question was put to young Irish Muslims, it was 57 percent. In other words, the hope’n’change generation are less Westernized than their parents. Thirty-six percent of young British Muslims think the penalty for apostasy — i.e., leaving Islam — should be death. Had you asked the same question of British Muslims in 1970, I doubt the enthusiasts would have cracked double figures.

Unlike the dopes droning the halfwit slogans at the Obama rallies, these guys mean it. The children are our future. That’s the problem.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/ ... steyn?pg=2
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Re: Egypt - depressing

Postby Henry Vilas » Sat Jul 14, 2012 2:23 pm

Let's hope of the Christian version of theocracy doesn't take hold in the U.S.

From what she has said in the past, it looks like our own Lt. Governor Kleefisch would like to see Dominionist philosophy take over government. On the national scene, it's Michele Bachmann and Rick Perry.
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Re: Egypt - depressing

Postby Huckleby » Sat Jul 14, 2012 2:32 pm

Bludgeon wrote:People are always making the case that things are changing for the better, either in the West or the East. Never really shared that idea. How could they, really? It's stability and prosperity that granted us the leisure to achieve the social progress we never miss a chance to pat ourselves on the back for. As a practical matter, upheaval and decline grant this age no such luxury.


Take a look at all of Latin America, there has been massive change for the better there the past 25 years. And that change began with revolutions and counter-revolutions and upheaval.
Africa is of late making great progress, and is the hot investment target for high growth potential.
Despite the frustrations, china has been improving both economically and politically.

Your worldview that nothing or changing or getting bettter is reactionary. Mark Stein, who you quote there, is a smooth-talking ideologue. One can predict 100% of his opinions, as they are based on a few right-wing principles and biases. He talks smart, but his head is looping through a very simple program. I can't stand the guy, he makes Rush Limbaugh look like a great thinker.
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Re: Egypt - depressing

Postby Cornbread » Sat Jul 14, 2012 6:04 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:Let's hope of the Christian version of theocracy doesn't take hold in the U.S.

:lol: :lol:
The subject is egypt and a stalwart of the New Democrat Party chimes in in an attempt to bash christianity, europe and the US?

:lol: Leftist democrats. Thank you. It's been a long handful of days and ya'll always make me and other normal people laugh.
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