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Re: "No Person except a natural born Citizen,"

Postby Meade » Fri May 18, 2012 9:48 am

jman111 wrote:Therefore, Obama is like a tax-evader? Am I following this argument correctly?

No, you are not following accurately. Jason drew an analogy to the tax system. Elizabeth Warren's checking a box that she knew she did not truly deserve to check gave her and Harvard certain advantages over those who could not in good faith check that box. Later, she chose to not check that box. That is where the real duplicity lies. And that duplicity is what is analogous to tax evasion, not just avoidance.

Barack Obama may have done something similar. He needs to come forth with all of his college and law school records if he wants to dispel any notions that he did something similar to Warren.

Here is something else analogous: The mainstream press did a half-assed vetting of Obama in 2007-2008. Analogous to having the IRS not investigate an individual or corporation because that individual or corporation is a political friend of the president.
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Re: "No Person except a natural born Citizen,"

Postby Ned Flanders » Fri May 18, 2012 9:54 am

I warned everyone back in '08 that Obama needed to be vetted and that it would happen at some point with our without the LSM's participation. School records, health records, etc. It's time to see it all.
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Re: "No Person except a natural born Citizen,"

Postby minicat » Fri May 18, 2012 10:06 am

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You forgot the caption: "Waukesha Victory Center workers prepare for another hard day."
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Re: "No Person except a natural born Citizen,"

Postby Meade » Fri May 18, 2012 10:09 am

Ned Flanders wrote:It's time to see it all.

Exactly. And the real crime is that the media (LSM, as Ned calls it) refused to look closely. They refused to look because they serve a market of individuals who want to buy an illusion - the Barack Obama illusion.
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Re: "No Person except a natural born Citizen,"

Postby jman111 » Fri May 18, 2012 10:22 am

jman111 wrote:So, somebody (i.e. not Obama) wrote a brief bio about Obama. He may have been approached to review that bio. That bio, which evidently contained false information, was later "scrubbed".

Therefore, Obama may be like a tax-evader.

Because of this, he NEEDS to release "all of his college and law school records" to be vindicated.

wow.
brilliant.
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Re: "No Person except a natural born Citizen,"

Postby Larry Kaufmann » Fri May 18, 2012 10:28 am

I don't think Obama was born in Kenya. I don't know whether he ever checked a box on a college application saying he was, although it isn't crazy to think he might have.

When Barack Obama was young and foolish, he thought the cool kids were the Marxists and radicals, and he actively worked to become part of their circles (no dispute here, read Obama biography #1). Would his radical cred be enhanced if he was an authentic representative of the third world, born in Africa to a socialist so-called reformer? Is the Sphinx Egyptian? Radicals in the 70s and early 80s were always looking to the third world for revolutionary authenticity, and the adolescent, intellectually insecure Obama could have glommed onto a faux African biography as an easy way to establish authority when speaking on revolutionary politics. College kids do crap like that (i.e. pretend to be someone else) all the time, and it wouldn't be out of character for Obama, who has always gotten ahead by carefully crafting his own image and being an incredibly smooth talker, rather than by substantive accomplishments.

In any event, it's a helluva lot more interesting and relevant than whether Mitt Romney may have been mean to another boy in high school. Why doesn't Obama just release his entire college transcripts and related files and put this issue to bed?

BTW, the most interesting thing about this story is it demolishes the left's conceit that the "birther" issue is straight-up racism. Was Obama's publisher racist too? That publishing house was birther before being birther was cool.
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Re: "No Person except a natural born Citizen,"

Postby jman111 » Fri May 18, 2012 10:39 am

The cruel, bullying actions of an adolescent Romney towards someone "not like him" are much more interesting, relevant and clearly revealing of his obvious disdain for others.
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Re: "No Person except a natural born Citizen,"

Postby Galoot » Fri May 18, 2012 10:41 am

Larry Kaufmann wrote:
In any event, it's a helluva lot more interesting and relevant than whether Mitt Romney may have been mean to another boy in high school.


Romney wasn't a "boy" when it happened, he was 18. And it was assault and battery, quite clearly, from the accounts of the four or five eyewitnesses who have stepped forward.
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Re: "No Person except a natural born Citizen,"

Postby Ned Flanders » Fri May 18, 2012 10:45 am

Hmmm. A contrived story about a possible high-school "bullying" incident in 1965 or the fact that there is conflicting and/or missing evidence that may or may not disqualify the sitting POTUS.

Which is more relevant? I can't decide....
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Re: "No Person except a natural born Citizen,"

Postby jman111 » Fri May 18, 2012 10:48 am

Ned Flanders wrote:...or the fact that there is conflicting and/or missing evidence that may or may not disqualify the sitting POTUS.

No, Ned, darling.
This isn't about birtherism or qualifications, remember?. It's about tax evasion....or something.
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Re: "No Person except a natural born Citizen,"

Postby Ned Flanders » Fri May 18, 2012 10:51 am

jman111 wrote:
Ned Flanders wrote:...or the fact that there is conflicting and/or missing evidence that may or may not disqualify the sitting POTUS.

No, Ned, darling.
This isn't about birtherism or qualifications, remember?. It's about tax evasion....or something.

We have no idea what it's about until Obama delivers the records. As he should have done in 2007 or 2008/
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Re: "No Person except a natural born Citizen,"

Postby Meade » Fri May 18, 2012 10:52 am

Memo to jman111: The analogy is Jason's. If you can't follow it, I suggest you email him directly for some extra help.
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Re: "No Person except a natural born Citizen,"

Postby jman111 » Fri May 18, 2012 10:54 am

But it's certainly not about birtherism.

That much we know, right Ned?
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Re: "No Person except a natural born Citizen,"

Postby Prof. Wagstaff » Fri May 18, 2012 11:06 am

jman111 wrote:The cruel, bullying actions of an adolescent Romney towards someone "not like him" are much more interesting, relevant and clearly revealing of his obvious disdain for others.
No, all the trivial minutiae about candidates actions from decades ago are equally irrelevant. (And I love how the fellow from the party of personal freedom and lack of government intrusion wants to see the other guy's health records!)

Full disclosure:
When I was in 2nd grade, I stole Ding Dongs from another kid's lunches.
In high school, I took advantage of my heritage by telling a teacher I needed to leave because it was a Jewish holiday. Then my pal and I got high, ate some Taco Bell, and tossed a Frisbee around.
When I was 20, I occasionally ran a coupon scam at the video store I worked to skim a few bucks out of the till to buy beer.
An examination of my college transcripts would show that I received credit for 3 years of high school Spanish, when in reality, I only took 2. I never made the university aware of their mistake, which gave me a considerable advantage.

So even though I'm nearly twice as old as when I did the most recent of those (admittedly bad) things, I'm obviously not qualified to make better judgements now. Is that how these kinds of arguments work?
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Re: "No Person except a natural born Citizen,"

Postby Detritus » Fri May 18, 2012 11:09 am

Larry Kaufmann wrote:I don't think Obama was born in Kenya. I don't know whether he ever checked a box on a college application saying he was, although it isn't crazy to think he might have.

If you seriously believe that a U.S. college application form has to box to check to indicate that you were born in Kenya, then yes, you are crazy.
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