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ALEC and public education

Postby Henry Vilas » Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:48 am

UW profs shed light on ALEC's threat to public education

While connections have been shown between ALEC and the attempt to have a private boys academy paid for with Madison taxpayers dollars, that right wing organization has much larger plans.

University of Wisconsin-Madison professors Julie Underwood and Julie Mead are expressing concern over the growing corporate influence on public education in an article published Monday.

In particular, they are highly critical of the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), which connects conservative state legislators with like-minded think tanks, corporations and foundations to develop "model legislation" that can be enacted at the state level.
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"What was going on?" Underwood and Mead write. "How could elected officials in multiple states suddenly introduce essentially the same legislation?"

The answer, they argue, is ALEC. And the UW-Madison professors are no fans of the organization's motives, writing that "ALEC's positions on various education issues make it clear that the organization seeks to undermine public education by systematically defunding and ultimately destroying public education as we know it."


Wisconsin's ever expanding voucher program (which allows taxpayer money to be given to religious schools) is an ALEC inspired piece of legislation.
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Re: ALEC and public education

Postby Ned Flanders » Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:02 pm

The more parents control education dollars, the more accountable schools will be.
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Re: ALEC and public education

Postby fisticuffs » Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:17 pm

Accountable doesn't equal successful if anything it means some schools will be really good and well funded while others aren't. That's not the mission Ned. The mission is a quality education for every child. Schools are too big to fail. The solution here needs to be more creative than the tired conservative bullshit mantra you throw at everything else.
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Re: ALEC and public education

Postby wack wack » Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:24 pm

Ned Flanders wrote:The more parents control education dollars, the more accountable schools will be.


If parents were more concerned about their children than their dollars, the accountability of schools wouldn't be such an issue.
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Re: ALEC and public education

Postby Ned Flanders » Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:27 pm

fisticuffs wrote:Accountable doesn't equal successful if anything it means some schools will be really good and well funded while others aren't. That's not the mission Ned. The mission is a quality education for every child. Schools are too big to fail. The solution here needs to be more creative than the tired conservative bullshit mantra you throw at everything else.

You're the one advocating the tired, old, failing status quo, darling.

In a voucher scenario, the bad schools will go bye-bye while good schools will thrive. I know this upsets the teachers' union-government bureaucracy-democrat axis, but too bad, so sad. Schools were never supposed to be about fat pensions, free healthcare, jobs for life and political funding for democrats, but that's where we are now.

A voucher program will get us back to educating children as effectively and efficiently as possible. It will also get parents more involved.

Both very positive things.
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Re: ALEC and public education

Postby wack wack » Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:28 pm

Ned Flanders wrote:Schools were never supposed to be about fat pensions, free healthcare, jobs for life and political funding for democrats, but that's where we are now.


Nor were they supposed to be about babysitting the children of parents who completely abdicate responsibility for the education of their children. But that's where we are.
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Re: ALEC and public education

Postby fisticuffs » Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:32 pm

Nor were they supposed to be about babysitting the children of parents who completely abdicate responsibility for the education of their children.


In defense of those parents they also weren't supposed to have to work 2 jobs with no raises and shitty benefits so Ned's bosses can buy even bigger mansions and buy even more politicians.

In a voucher scenario, the bad schools will go bye-bye while good schools will thrive.


What happens to the kids unfortunate enough to go to the "bad schools"?
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Re: ALEC and public education

Postby Detritus » Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:51 pm

Ned Flanders wrote:A voucher program will get us back to educating children as effectively and efficiently as possible. It will also get parents more involved.

Evidence please--all the research I've seen suggests exactly the opposite. And before you say it: you show me yours before asking me to show mine.
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Re: ALEC and public education

Postby ilikebeans » Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:51 pm

Ned Flanders wrote:A voucher program will get us back to educating children as effectively and efficiently as possible. It will also get parents more involved.

Both very positive things.

DPI: Students in Milwaukee voucher program didn't perform better in state tests

As Republican lawmakers push for expansion of Milwaukee's 20-year-old voucher program, state test results for the first time show voucher students performing "similar or worse" than other poor Milwaukee students, according to the Department of Public Instruction.

Nice try, darling.
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Re: ALEC and public education

Postby Henry Vilas » Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:52 pm

I wonder if Ned is going to vote for Santorum. Not only is he a conservative Catholic like Ned, but he recently said that states should not fund public education.
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Re: ALEC and public education

Postby Ned Flanders » Mon Feb 20, 2012 2:04 pm

ilikebeans wrote:
Ned Flanders wrote:A voucher program will get us back to educating children as effectively and efficiently as possible. It will also get parents more involved.

Both very positive things.

DPI: Students in Milwaukee voucher program didn't perform better in state tests

As Republican lawmakers push for expansion of Milwaukee's 20-year-old voucher program, state test results for the first time show voucher students performing "similar or worse" than other poor Milwaukee students, according to the Department of Public Instruction.

Nice try, darling.


First of all, "similar or worse" does not mean universally worse. Were parents allowed to choose private schools with their education dollars?

All this "study" proves are that Milwaukee schools are univerally bad. So we're supposed to keep throwing money at the same failed model for how long?
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Re: ALEC and public education

Postby Henry Vilas » Mon Feb 20, 2012 2:18 pm

Ned Flanders wrote:First of all, "similar or worse" does not mean universally worse. Were parents allowed to choose private schools with their education dollars?

Yes.
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Re: ALEC and public education

Postby Detritus » Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:10 pm

Ned Flanders wrote:First of all, "similar or worse" does not mean universally worse. Were parents allowed to choose private schools with their education dollars?

In other words, you don't know the most basic facts about one of the longest-running school voucher programs in the country, yet you are convinced that they will be "more efficient and more effective" than public schools?

Oh, wait, I forgot: this is Ned saying these things. My bad--sorry for stating the obvious.
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Re: ALEC and public education

Postby Stebben84 » Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:14 pm

I find it so amusing that conservatives start chest thumping when it comes to states rights. Grrrr, why should the gubment be telling us what to do. Yet, when a think tank like ALEC dumps this "universal" legislation in their laps, they eat it up.
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Re: ALEC and public education

Postby jman111 » Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:39 pm

Ned?
Hey Ned!
Where'd ya go Ned?
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