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School districts dealing with budget shortfalls

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Re: School districts dealing with budget shortfalls

Postby snoqueen » Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:41 pm

Here's another report of the after-effects of Act 10, this one from New Berlin, where it comes in the wake of years of difficult relations between teachers and administration:

http://www.jsonline.com/news/education/ ... 05175.html

New Berlin's departing staff members cite concerns that are difficult to quantify; most have little to do with paying more for retirement or benefits. Based on interviews with more than a dozen employees, the resentment appears to stem from feelings that their input doesn't matter, that the administration doesn't communicate well with them, that they aren't supported or appreciated by people in the district, and that changes meant to be good for kids are poorly executed and fail to improve teaching.
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Re: School districts dealing with budget shortfalls

Postby bdog » Tue Jun 26, 2012 5:17 am

They've gotten control of salaries, bringing them closer to the state average; raised the minimum starting wage by $5,000, because board members believed there was too much compensation on the high end and not enough at the entry level; and in general taken back a district that many considered to be in the pocket of the teachers union.
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Re: School districts dealing with budget shortfalls

Postby Earthling » Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:10 am

The tense relationship between teachers, top-level administrators and the School Board did not happen overnight in New Berlin. The community has a history of rocky labor relations.
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Re: School districts dealing with budget shortfalls

Postby pjbogart » Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:40 am

...that they aren't supported or appreciated by people in the district...


This is the point that I've heard my sister griping about. The "union thugs" vitriol has really placed a lot of teachers in the position that they feel like they're somehow adversaries of the public. But it's hardly incidental to the debate, as Republicans have pushed this notion of the taxpayers vs. teachers throughout. If the propaganda on the right were a bit more honest, perhaps it wouldn't be a problem, but when your neighbors are convinced that you're pulling down $100k/year for a part time job, there's a very real animosity based upon a completely fictional scenario.
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Re: School districts dealing with budget shortfalls

Postby Henry Vilas » Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:48 am

pjbogart wrote:
...Republicans have pushed this notion of the taxpayers vs. teachers throughout. If the propaganda on the right were a bit more honest, perhaps it wouldn't be a problem, but when your neighbors are convinced that you're pulling down $100k/year for a part time job, there's a very real animosity based upon a completely fictional scenario.

More of their divide and conquer strategy.
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Re: School districts dealing with budget shortfalls

Postby Earthling » Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:39 pm

Spare me the taglines. You will label anything remotely contraversial as "Divide and Conquer" these days won't you? Give it a rest. This is a school district where they have had these types of problems in the past. Hardly an example that portrays the "norm."
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Re: School districts dealing with budget shortfalls

Postby Henry Vilas » Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:55 pm

So pitting "taxpayers vs. teachers" isn't a divide and conquer strategy? Please explain why not.
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Re: School districts dealing with budget shortfalls

Postby Earthling » Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:48 pm

You see your perception of the result of the legislation is as if it were the sole motivation behind its existance. Fact is the legislation was not enacted in order to pit teachers against taxpayers. It was enacted to balance our budget. It may be an undesired bi-product, but this notion that this is all part of some master divide and conquer strategy is both ridiculous, and makes you sound like a looney conspiracy theorist.
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Re: School districts dealing with budget shortfalls

Postby pjbogart » Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:42 pm

Earthling wrote:You see your perception of the result of the legislation is as if it were the sole motivation behind its existance. Fact is the legislation was not enacted in order to pit teachers against taxpayers. It was enacted to balance our budget. It may be an undesired bi-product, but this notion that this is all part of some master divide and conquer strategy is both ridiculous, and makes you sound like a looney conspiracy theorist.


I agree that the legislation was not enacted "in order" to pit teachers against taxpayers, but the demonization of teachers and all other union workers was the method by which they sold the legislation to voters. Are you honestly going to sit there and claim that Republicans don't demonize government union employees as being lazy, overpaid union thugs?

And your minor concession that perhaps it was an "undesired bi-product" is laughable. Republicans didn't accidentally misrepresent teachers' salaries and benefits packages. Not only was the misrepresentation intentional, it was a critical part of their strategy.
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Re: School districts dealing with budget shortfalls

Postby Henry Vilas » Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:51 pm

Earthling wrote: It was enacted to balance our budget.

That, or to pay for the hundreds of millions of dollars in special tax breaks for corporations (supposed to create jobs, which weren't created). And remember the nearly one billion dollars Walker cut from state aid to public education.
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Re: School districts dealing with budget shortfalls

Postby Earthling » Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:11 pm

pjbogart wrote:
Earthling wrote:You see your perception of the result of the legislation is as if it were the sole motivation behind its existance. Fact is the legislation was not enacted in order to pit teachers against taxpayers. It was enacted to balance our budget. It may be an undesired bi-product, but this notion that this is all part of some master divide and conquer strategy is both ridiculous, and makes you sound like a looney conspiracy theorist.


I agree that the legislation was not enacted "in order" to pit teachers against taxpayers, but the demonization of teachers and all other union workers was the method by which they sold the legislation to voters. Are you honestly going to sit there and claim that Republicans don't demonize government union employees as being lazy, overpaid union thugs?

And your minor concession that perhaps it was an "undesired bi-product" is laughable. Republicans didn't accidentally misrepresent teachers' salaries and benefits packages. Not only was the misrepresentation intentional, it was a critical part of their strategy.


Perhaps our disagreement lies in that I don't feel there was any mis-representation of teachers' salaries and benefit packages.
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Re: School districts dealing with budget shortfalls

Postby Bert Ernie » Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:54 pm

Earthling wrote:
pjbogart wrote:
Earthling wrote:And your minor concession that perhaps it was an "undesired bi-product" is laughable. Republicans didn't accidentally misrepresent teachers' salaries and benefits packages. Not only was the misrepresentation intentional, it was a critical part of their strategy.


Perhaps our disagreement lies in that I don't feel there was any mis-representation of teachers' salaries and benefit packages.


Walker acknowledged that it was, indeed, a critical part of the strategy in his own words with his "divide and conquer" statement. Don't pretend it wasn't.
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Re: School districts dealing with budget shortfalls

Postby Like_Stink » Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:05 pm

The budget was balanced the old-fashioned way Walker learned from Doyle and Tommy...refinancing debt. Act 10 had almost no impact on it.
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Re: School districts dealing with budget shortfalls

Postby snoqueen » Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:20 pm

But Walker didn't say, "These are some of the most important jobs in our communities: educating our children to be the citizens, workers, and leaders of the future."

Which is, if you think it over, a true statement.

And Walker's failure to make any comparable statement was not accidental, incidental, or a byproduct of anything. It is indicative of his values and the values by which he is governing the state.

Wisconsin is not and was not about to default on its obligations. Its bonds was not and are not at junk status. Here's a table of current general obligation bond ratings by state:

http://www.treasurer.ca.gov/ratings/current.asp
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Re: School districts dealing with budget shortfalls

Postby Stebben84 » Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:29 pm

Earthling wrote:Perhaps our disagreement lies in that I don't feel there was any mis-representation of teachers' salaries and benefit packages.


Because you probably think teachers make too much. Well, whatever you make is too much. Doesn't matter how much that is, it's just too much. I don't need a reason just like you never really have one for anything you post. You have some of the most factless opinions of anyone on this forum.
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