ShaneDog wrote: The thing you're missing is that they already have one HUGE casino and I believe they already make huge profits there so I don't think the Ho-Chunk Nation can be considered poor.
Finally just giving up and talking out of your ass aren't you. Are those economist words I here: "huge"? So the Ho-Chunk have the financial ability to pay for health, educational and social services on par with the Sate of Wisconsin and white-dominated counties? You haven't measured the "huge" wealth of this casino and have no idea if it's sufficient. And you probably have no idea that the "rich greedy Indian" is an offensive but prevelant stereotype. Additionally, tribes, since they can be shut down by the feds or by that state's white majority by amending the state constitution, have to make investments for the long run in case casinos are banned at some point. If Wisconsin amends the constitution in three years, do your numbers indicate the one casino will have made them enough to keep from sliding back into the pre-casino poverty, much less be on pare with whites? Are you serious about your "they are rich enough" argument?http://www.madison.com/archives/read.ph ... 1171:FRONThttp://www.bluecorncomics.com/greedy.htmhttp://www.madison.com/captimes/electio ... /62998.php
"USE OF NET REVENUES
* Revenues from Tribal Governmental gaming must be used in five specific areas
The Indian Gaming Regulatory Act (25 U.S.C. 2710 [Sec. 11]), net revenues from any tribal gaming are not to be used for purposes other than-
o To fund Tribal Government operations or programs;
o To provide for the general welfare of the Indian tribe and its members;
o To promote Tribal economic development;
o To donate to charitable organizations; or
o To help fund operations of local government agencies.
PER CAPITA PAYMENTS:
* Three-fourths of gaming Tribes devote all of their revenue to Tribal governmental services, economic and community development, to neighboring communities and to charitable purposes and do not give out per capita payments
* Tribal Government services, Economic and Community development, general tribal welfare, charitable donations and any requirements for aid to Local governments must be provided for before a Tribe can file for a "Revenue Allocation Plan"
* The Secretary of Interior must approve any per capita payments as part of a "Revenue Allocation Plan"
* Only about one-fourth of Tribes engaged in gaming distribute per capita payments to tribal members (47 Tribes)
* Tribal members receiving per capita payments PAY FEDERAL INCOME TAX on these payments
* Tribal Governmental gaming is regulated on three levels.
* Indian Nations are primary regulators of Indian gaming. Under the Indian Gaming Regulatory Act (IGRA), Tribes establish the basic regulatory framework for Indian gaming.
* State regulation may be included in Tribal/State compacts for Class III gaming.
* Federal agencies enforce laws relating to Indian gaming, including the National Indian Gaming Commission, the Interior Department, The Justice Department, FBI, IRS, Secret Service and the Treasury Department's Financial Crimes Enforcement Network
* Federal law makes it a crime punishable by up to ten years in prison to steal, cheat, or embezzle from an Indian gaming operation, and that law is enforced by the FBI 18 USC ss. 1163.
- Information courtesy of the National Indian Gaming Association -
GAMING HAS NOT SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACTED MOST NATIVE AMERICANS
There is a growing belief in American society that Indians have struck it rich with the establishment of Indian casinos. Indeed, in a recent article in a leading news magazine, the conclusion was drawn that because of gaming "many Indians have money to spare..."
This is hardly possible when you consider that unemployment among adult Indians is about 15 percent - roughly three times the national average - and Native Americans remain America's poorest people.
Gaming on Indian reservations has not appreciably lowered the high levels of poverty on Indian lands nationwide. According to a "Survey of Grant Giving by American Indian Foundations and Organizations" by Native Americans in Philanthropy, the needs of reservation Indians are so great that even if the total annual Indian gaming revenue in the country could be divided equally among all the Indians in the country, the amount distributed ($3,000) per person would still not be enough to raise Indian per capita income (currently $4,500) to anywhere near the national average of $14,400.
Of the more than 500 Indian nations, only 177 are involved in gaming. Many tribes may never participate in gaming because of their geographic location in rural, unpopulated areas.
THE FEW SUCCESSFUL TRIBES
Among the reasons for the disparity between perception and reality is the attention given to the few tribal gaming operations that have seen spectacular success - such as the Mashantucket Pequot Tribe in Connecticut and the Shakopee Mdewakanton in Minnesota. However, these operations are the exception, rather than the rule.
As small tribes located near major urban areas, these successful gaming operations have benefited the most from the gaming boom generating 40% of all Indian gaming revenue. The remaining 175 tribal operations are only marginally profitable.
SUCCESSFUL TRIBES SHOULD NOT BE PUNISHED FOR THEIR SUCCESS
Gaming operations have enabled a number of tribes to reduce unemployment on their reservations.
These tribes must concentrate their gaming revenues to create and maintain tribal police, fire and ambulance services; health and child-care services, educational assistance programs, cultural enhancement, and numerous other human service programs.
If the state of Michigan generates extra money from its lottery, the federal government doesn't take money away from Michigan and give it to Mississppi.
The truth is that all Indian gaming operations in the United States account for less than 8 percent of money spent on gaming by the public.
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Bwis53 wrote: An Indian friend of mine says Indians don't envision casino work as the kind of work they want their children to grow up to.
And I have one Black friend, and he thinks affirmative action and reparations are stupid .... Do you realize how partronizing you sound? 'I have thought it over, and I realize I'm in a superior position to decide for a tribe than their own membership and government. Luckilly, it doesn't sound ridiculous because I have one Indian friend who agrees.'
ShaneDog wrote: If a minority candidate receives preferential treatment in hiring, or admissions, and causes other candidates to be (temporarily) disadvantaged, the other candidates are not harmed much because their membership in the priviledged class will give them advantages in other areas
The same can be said for this issue. In both cases, members of the disadvantaged group advance to the detriment of the advantaged and the harm to even the poor of the advantaged is reduced by their other advantages.
Even the poorest of the advantaged group is not so poor as the poor of the disadvantaged group.
So that justifies a tranfer of wealth, along with the huge social costs to be paid by the people affected, city and county?[/quote]
Exactly. But we don't have to justify it exactly, since the tribe decided to do it, you need to justify blocking them. And if Dane County was 80% Hmong immigrants in poverty, then I'd agree you have some points. But it's the richest county in the state that already has tons of state-approved gambling opportunities opposing one highway casino for one of the poorest people in the state and country while rolling in bars and liquour stores. In the same vein, what justifies doing nothing? Or sorry, what justifies doing nothing but voting against the tribe's income knowing they have few options and then crossing your fingers that some kind of reparations are inexplicably around the corner?
The lottery, internet gambling, other gaming opportunities, not to mention bars and more dangerous white-controlled income revenue, make this fight against the tribe silly.