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Musicians who flummox

Postby christopher_robin » Sat Oct 13, 2012 11:42 am

I really and truly don't know what to make of Darryl Hall.

The blue-eyed Philly Soul thing was kind of cool, I guess, but despite the sonic and songwriting craftsmanship it all seems painfully toothless. But who doesn't like "Sara Smiles" or "She's Gone", which at this point sound as classic as the Motown hits that inspired them ... ?

He claims, perhaps truthfully, that Michael Jackson bit off the groove for "I Can't Go For That" and slightly re-arranged it for "Billie Jean." So there's that.

And De La Soul dug that groove enough to sample it.

But then there's "Maneater", which just stuffed coins of gold into everyone's fists, but somehow tarnished them forever (that delayed sax solo -- for real?!)

Still, Hall has been working hard for years on rehabilitating his image with "Live From Darryl's House" and the Cee-Lo version here really pushes all my WTF? buttons -- is it awesome? Totally corny? Is it cool that the lead guitarist ropes Cee-Lo in for a little C&C Music Factory in the intro, or is that hopelessly lame?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... F8wIjtPcfs

Help me Forons, I'm flummoxed!
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Re: Musicians who flummox

Postby Detritus » Sat Oct 13, 2012 12:07 pm

Don't forget his vocals on Robert Fripp's Exposure:

North Star

One of the great albums of all time, I think. But not one on which I expected to hear Daryl Hall
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Re: Musicians who flummox

Postby bdog » Sat Oct 13, 2012 8:53 pm

Yup.

"I need a drink and a quick decision"

to

"Private eyes, they're watching you"

Also flummoxed.

Believe it or not, I've thought of this before re: Hall & Oates.

And what of Oates? What of Oates?
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Re: Musicians who flummox

Postby scratch » Mon Oct 15, 2012 8:31 am

Hall with or without Oates strikes me as somehow similar to Neil Diamond, especially old Neil Diamond in that some of his stuff is catchy and not bad at all, bout overall he seems like just another over-produced drone with the occasionally catchy pop hook, but nowhere near as disgusting as a Ricky Martin or Justin Bieber thang. I guess I consider Hall as mildly interesting, but not my cup of ganja tea.
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Re: Musicians who flummox

Postby Marvell » Tue Oct 16, 2012 12:10 pm

"Chariots of Eggs," dude.
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Re: Musicians who flummox

Postby Prof. Wagstaff » Tue Oct 16, 2012 12:42 pm

I unapologetically loves me some Hall & Oates, but yeah, like most other '70s-into-'80s superstars, the cheesy production and MTV-era standards kinda did them in. H20 may have been their biggest hit, but it clearly spelled the end of their quality years -- not sure I've ever cared about their later output. (And while "Maneater" is the hit song everyone not-so-fondly remembers, I find it's hard to argue with "One On One".)

I would say that Hall is one of the great vocal improvisers -- like when just riffing as a song fades out. That shit's hard to do, and he's a master. Also, let me just say this: "You Make My Dreams" is one of the few perfect pure pop songs I know.

Marvell wrote:"Chariots of Eggs," dude.

FUCK YEAH!

Oh, and "Rich Girl" ain't toothless.
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Re: Musicians who flummox

Postby Mean Scenester » Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:18 pm

http://www.livefromdarylshouse.com

I'm down with Daryl. Check out the latest episode at the site above to see him holding his own with Sharon Jones. Anyone who doesn't look like a complete idiot sharing the stage with that woman has something going on.

I also think dude's a seriously underrated rhythm guitarist.
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Re: Musicians who flummox

Postby christopher_robin » Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:40 pm

You swell fellas are making some solid points.

Counterpoint: "Out of Touch"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIQ1TLvQViY&

Gotta see the video for the full experience.

(Actually, if you burned your eyes out and peeled back the 1984 production there might be a good song in there, but it's awfully hard to tell.)
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Re: Musicians who flummox

Postby Prof. Wagstaff » Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:57 pm

christopher_robin wrote:Counterpoint: "Out of Touch"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIQ1TLvQViY&
There is no way I am clicking on that link.

Years ago I remember trying to track down some specific H&O songs (I honestly don't recall which ones) and discovered that their catalog was a mess on CD. To get everything I wanted would require the purchase of some Australian 2-disc best-of career-spanning retrospective. And boy, did they mean career-spanning. Thing's got tracks on it from as late as 1991 (CD was from '95, I think.) And apart from their perfectly acceptable but completely unnecessary version of "Starting All Over Again", I find little pleasure in anything post '82. But then, who's crazy enough to expect good music from albums titled Ooh Yeah! and Big Bam Boom?
Aw, who am I kidding? They always had lousy album titles.
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Re: Musicians who flummox

Postby christopher_robin » Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:02 pm

Haha.

Wags, I have "Bigger Than The Both of Us" "Private Eyes" and "Hall & Oates: Greatest Hits" (a double LP) on vinyl (natch).

What else should I get?
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Re: Musicians who flummox

Postby Prof. Wagstaff » Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:09 pm

christopher_robin wrote:What else should I get?

I'd start with Voices, Abandoned Luncheonette, and the self-titled from '75.
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That's right. Not only did they have terrible album titles, they also had terrible, terrible album covers.
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Re: Musicians who flummox

Postby Stebben84 » Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:15 pm

Prof. Wagstaff wrote:
christopher_robin wrote:What else should I get?

I'd start with Voices, Abandoned Luncheonette, and the self-titled from '75.
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That's right. Not only did they have terrible album titles, they also had terrible, terrible album covers.


That album cover is awesome.
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Re: Musicians who flummox

Postby christopher_robin » Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:33 pm

Thanks, Professor!

This is also pretty great:
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Re: Musicians who flummox

Postby christopher_robin » Thu Oct 18, 2012 12:52 pm

Okay, next up: Billy Joel.

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Old-school Brill Building pop songwriter extraordinaire, or exhibit A in the MOR is less argument?

I really don't know. Most of his songs make me want to smash the radio, but then there are the offbeat gems: "Pressure" is unlike anything else, and the production on the cheesy "Still Rock & Roll To Me" always pulls me in.
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Re: Musicians who flummox

Postby Kenneth Burns » Thu Oct 18, 2012 1:15 pm

I love "The Longest Time." Joel's an overly self-conscious rocker and a gifted balladeer who can't seem to avoid casual misogyny.
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